plummeting off the fiscal cliff rather than sitting down and negotiating with republicans at the table. make no mistake. this is far from some obscure conspiracy theory. this is becoming the frightening political reality for the entire country. what you're seeing is a man who thinks he has free rein. you're watching someone who thinks he was reelected with a mandate to do whatever he pleases. he's ignoring the fact that the republican majority remains in the house of representatives, a majority sent there to cult spending and impose his tax hikes. all of this has a growing number of lawmakers now openly suggesting that the country may see -- the president may secretly want the country to fall off the fiscal cliff. earlier today our hannity cameras caught up with a senator from wisconsin on capitol hill. >> it's increasingly clear to me that the president is very willing to go over the cliff. i think he ought to be spending more time listening and less time lecturing. the president seems to be just fixated on increasing tax rates even though they may hurt the economy and i'm concerned if we g

staring down the fiscal cliff. >> but here's the thing. both sides acknowledge that you're not going to get a deal done without some sort of change to entitlements. specifically medicare. >> well, i'm not so sure what that means when you say it's some sort of change. some sort of structural change to medicare? i'm not sure that has to be on the table. i do think, though, that we do have to have some spending cuts and the president has acknowledged that, as well. but the basis of the problem is you have to have -- the republican party is intransigent about the idea of tax increases and the taxes will grow up after december 31st regardless of what happens. if you don't do anything, they'll go up. so you have to do something. you'll have 98% of the american people who will get a tax cut under president obama's proposal, 97% of american small businesses will get a tax cut. so why not come to a negotiated deal on the things that we agree on and put aside the other things. we don't thesely have to agree on those 2%. let's work on where there is some sort of compromisable solution or common

," the term is herding cats. john boehner now facing backlash from his own party over the fiscal cliff proposal that he made with some saying it doesn't go far enough to fix the deficit. we'll break down what this means for negotiations ahead with our morning joe panel. but up next -- you never know who you'll see on a new york city subway. and for one kindly old lady, she literally did not know who she was seeing and sitting next to. we'll play her full conversation with jay-z when "way too early" comes right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now

fiscal cliff is necessary. keep sharing your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter. one of the richest men in america is getting a free lunch at the white house. find out what mitt romney could bring to the table and the white house wants him to. we are right back. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." kevin mccarthy has a movie night. he will be hosting a screening of the movie "lincoln" steven spielberg's portrayal of the republican party's most honored president. last year during the debt ceiling debate on capitol hill, mccarthy tried to rally republicans behind john boehner's plan with this clip from the town. >> i need your help. i can't tell you what it is. you can never ask me about it later. we are going to hurt some people. >> whose car are we going to take? >> if you haven't seen the movie, two characters go to beat up a guy. mccarthy showed a clip where a thief emphasized not asking questions in a situation where people were going to get hurt. mccarthy also organized the republican screening of money ball, the brad pitt baseball movie about using math over conventional

speaker john boehner on the fiscal cliff negotiations. chris will talk to tim geithner. a "fox news sunday" you do not want to miss. check your local listings. consumer spending was down .2 of a percentage point in october. the dow finished ahead. the nasdaq lost two. europe's economy remains in the tank. 17 euro zone countries have a combined unemployment rate of 11.7%. that is the highest since the introduction of the common currency in 1999. 18.7 million people are out of work for the euro zone. pain and greece have jobless rates of more than 25%. back at home, the question of who will be the nation's top diplomat in president obama's second term continues to intersect with complaints about how the administration handled the libya terror attack. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with the continuing saga of what susan rice knew and when she knew it. >> since it's classified briefing on capitol hill two weeks ago, lawmakers stressed that ambassador susan rice had asked for the unclassified intelligence on the benghazi attack, including the controversial c.i.a. talking points, as well as classified information. now leading republican in the senate tells

speaker of the house john boehner both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. >>> and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is outfront. and julian assange is outfront to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "outfront." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> my hope is to get this done before christmas. i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those presents. no smile from either one of them. but investors didn't care, they're excited about the present, the dow gained more than a full percent throughout the day.

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matter how this shakes off, if we go over the fiscal cliff, we are to blame. i hear that over and over. something to what tom said, it's an amazing notion that a just-elected democrat president is necessary to make permanent the bush tax cuts. they were tax rate cuts across the board. the idea that most of them could be made permanent -- bush couldn't have gotten that done in 2004 after being re-elected. i do think that republicans should take a victory lap in that regard. >> it is really politically smart to do this. you know, but it's also particularly smart to cut the knees out from under grover norquist. who is he? he's an unelected -- >> it's not him. >> he represents something that's real. he represents something that's real. >> i think everybody recognizes to get these numbers to work you have to have revenue increases. the question is, do you need tax rate increases or not? i think it's very tough to make the math work. >> honestly, i think -- and i like grover, but there is a big -- but there's a big, big difference between not being able to extend our temporary tax cuts. that

as going over the so-called fiscal cliff, is the possibility that we have an inadequate solution. some form of kick the can down the road. we need $4 trillion of deficit reduction over the next ten years to stop the rate of debt to gdp from continuing to grow, at least stabilize our financial problem. we're not going to balance the budget, not going to start paying down the debt, but stop the hemorrhaging if we get $4 trillion. i worry because this is a fractious issue, that we won't get the $4 trillion and that's as i said, scares me almost as much as going over the cliff itself. >> steve rattner, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> good to see you. >> nice to see you. >> how will democrats respond to speaker boehner's challenge of the weekend. up next, michigan congressman sandra levin. hillary clinton turns up the heat on syria. and later, celebrating 25 years of swing with jazz. great whitten mar salless. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ♪ you are my sunshine, my only sunshine ♪ ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] choose the same brand your mom trusted for you. children's tylenol, t

there is a big meeting going on on capitol hill over the fiscal cliff. treasury secretary timothy geithner sitting down with the top leaders in congress and in the senate, they are discussing what needs to be done to reduce the deficit and maybe how much flexibility there could be on either side. the deal is to avoid a series of tax increases, and spending cuts that many believe would be a fiscal cliff that would kick in on january the 1st. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is watching it all unfold on capitol hill. what do we know about the visit about the expectations for what might happen during it. >> reporter: martha, timothy geithner arrived here on capitol hill a short time ago to meet first with senate majority leader harry reid. we know he's having individual meetings with the top four leaders of congress. what republicans have said they want to hear, and republicans will be critical, because they need republican support to get any final fiscal cliff deal through the senate, and also through the house, they say they hope that he's coming with concrete spending cut ideas that are accept

cliff with democrats and the president, he is cracking down now on some house conservatives that he thinks are a bit too free spirited. john boehner kicked two republicans off the house budget committee. he got rid of another two on the financial services committee. all four voted against the 2011 debt ceiling deal. the two on the budget committee voted against paul ryan's budget. the chairman of the budget committee. speaker boehner issued these punishments with the full support of the republican leadership including the majority leader eric cantor and majority whip kevin mccarthy. jonathan capehart, this is fascinating. i am interpreting this as a positive thing for president obama and the democrats in an attempt to at some point either before or after going off the cliff, reaching some kind of deal with boehner. what boehner's message seems to be to these conservatives willing to vote for something because it is not conservative enough. i need better team players if i'm going to walk back from the white house with a deal. i need your vote on it. >> right. by removing the two from

cliff it won't be such a big deal i don't think that's where most democrats will end up. you they are president and a lot of people down in washington saying they don't want to go off the fiscal cliff. as far as grover norquist notices, i don't think republicans should be caving to a special interest of one, frankly. we do see some brave republicans coming out there and they should be supported because they are about finding a solution. >> i want to show this tomb the president playing golf with former president bill clinton. how much do you think fiscal cliff was coming up during their golf rounds? >> i'm sure they talked about it because president clinton is a political wonk. what bill clinton showed during his presidency is that there's a way to show common ground with republicans who hate you. they impeached bill clinton but made a deal. they made a deal that was nor the right of where most democrats are. this president has a unique opportunity to make a deal for more towards his left. remember dick cheney said to -- speaking of sequels. remember when dick cheney said you got the high approval ratings you can spend th

sell some stocks at this point. >> do you think some of the concern on the fiscal cliff is overbrought? >> you know what they are probably going to come up with something. if not on january 1st, then they will come up with some deal to make a deal, kicking the can down the road. >> gregg: which is congress's job. [ laughter ] >> and more important than the fiscal cliff a lot of investment houses are lowering their growth outlook. that is because the owners of small businesses, they are the drivers of the economy. they hire. right now, one out of five cut jobs in the next 12 months. one out of three is cutting capital spending. if there is no jobs we don't have consumer spending that is 70% of g.d.p., so this is really steam rolling. it is frightening. >> gregg: i was reading economists and they say household purchases, wages in salary going down, durable goods decreasing now we have manufacturing coming out on monday as well as jobs report on thursday or friday? >> yeah, the jobs report is expected to be very dismal, about 75,000 net jobs. some of that is because of sandy, but housing market is rebuilding, it's recovering. that makes people feel more wealthy. this retail season is going to be very critical. it's going to tell us a lot. stocks could go u

fiscal cliff. there are some in this chamber who have said, oh, we need to go off of it. we'll go off of it. we'll pay the price and then we'll finally sit down and do what's right. i would, with all due respect, say that's pretty stupid. >> that was some blunt talk from my next guest, republican senator from georgia, johnny isaacson. that was two and a half weeks ago. the more things change, the more they stay the same. both the president and house republicans have offered their own solutions to the fiscal cliff. but we're no closer to a deal. joining me now is senator isa isaacson. good morning, senator isaacson. i assume you stand by what you said just two weeks ago. so let me ask you this. the initial offer by speaker boehner, is it fair to say -- is it fair that the white house is calling it an unserious offer since it doesn't do anything on tax rates? >> no, i dent think so at all. i think it's more reflective of a simpson-bowles. it's a first step. i made a living selling houses for 33 years. i don't get people together until they finally sit down 0 at the table and negotiate. it's still too much posturing, too much the president wants it

clear, i think at least, that the democrats want to go off the fiscal cliff. you can see it in the fact that president obama's out there campaigning instead of sitting down with john boehner, running around pushing for a bill to increase -- extend just the middle class tax cuts which he knows republicans will never do. you can see it in the fact that 33 senate democrats signed this letter which says, quote, we will oppose including social security cuts for current or future pen fisheries in any -- beneficiaries at any time. that's signed by harry reid. senator durbin giving a speech saying no touching medicare or medicaid in any year end package. so, basically, the democratic position is no changes to social security, no changes to medicare, no changes to medicaid, yet the mainstream media all you hear is three words: grover, grover, grover. all you hear is about republican intransigence on taxes. where are the stories about democratic intransigence on entitlements? it seems to me that what they want to do is go off the fiscal cliff, pocket the increase on the wealthy, the tax increase on the wealthy, and blame republicans for the middle class tax increases.

our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious to come back to us with a counter offer. >> the president told a virginia family on thursday he won't back down on taxing the rich. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one. >> the rebels gain on assad raising fears he might use chemical weapons. that was enough to frighten the russians into talking with hillary clinton about a political transition. >> the united states stands with the syrian people in insisting that any transition process re -- result in a unified democratic syria in which all citizens are represented. the future of this kind cannot possibly include assad. >> a tragic turn of events in london. the nurse that first transferred that prank call to duchess catherine is found dead. david axelrod shaves it all off on "morning joe." >> joe scarborough. >> are your friends at the white house watching? >> laughing, i'm sure. >> laughing. >> his sacrifice is paying off a bet after he and his wife susan rais

theosterone than the white house previously and not only the fiscal cliff but the susan rice. send her down there. send the cia down there. we are not moving and we are not going to let yougo get away with villinizing our administration a new obama going into the next 4iers. i am hoping we will see a lot more progressive reforms because of it. >> i hope you are right, too. we talked about this. something i want to get to at the top of the hour. obama has every reason right? to feel the power and exercise the power. every day -- i mean he won. okay? he won on november 6th, the popular vote the electoral vote overwhelmingly but i didn't realize there are still millions of votes still uncounted and every day, his margin keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. he is now a 51%, and romney is at 47%. there is something magic about the 47%. right? >> beautifully reviewed up. it's so good >> bill: the fact he ends up part of the 47%. obama, 51%. he beat romney by more than george bush beat john kerry in 2004. >> that's a solid, solid victory. he has a mandate. >> i think he definitely has a mandate.

leaving with the fiscal cliff right in front of us -- >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> in fact, sending lawmakers home is a way for house republicans to illustrate their current message, your move, mr. president. >> we need a response from the white house, we can't negotiate with ourselves. >> john boehner made a point at expressing dismay the president hasn't responded two days after the republicans sent him a fiscal cliff counteroffer. >> if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> by trying to keep gop frustration on the president, boehner appears to be keeping conservative lawmakers off his own back for now. >> what's mood inside the conference. >> very united, very supportive with the speaker. >> multiple sources tell cnn in a private meeting with house republicans, boehner got no flow back for producing $800 billion in tax revenue, despite backlash from conservative grou

the can down the road. the other we go over the fiscal cliff but without any clear path forward or plan. in my view, a really bad plan is worse than no plan. at the end of the last congress, where i was here as a member of the lame duck, we were prevailed upon, persuaded to vote for a two-year extension of the bush tax cuts. the price of that was -- had we not done that, unemployment insurance. where millions of americans would have ended. in the days up to that vote, i got painful personal calls visits from friends neighbors people i know from delaware who are unemployed, long-term unemployed would have gone off of unemployment insurance. right now, we're facing three million americans going off unemployment insurance by january. for example, one of many sort of unspoken about potentially very negative consequences if all of the current law is enacted. now, there are many in the senate democratic caucus, this is part of what you were referring to who are saying we should go over the cliff. let me be clear about why. we see time and time and time again the vast majority, 95% of rep

last couple of weeks. the going over the fiscal cliff is serious business and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. paul? >> [inaudible]. >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much are you open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements? >> there are a lot of options on the table including that one. andrew. >> [inaudible]. >> the day after the election i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolved. >> [inaudible]. >> revenue is on the table but revenue was only on the table if there were serious spending cuts as part of this agreement. it has to be part of the agreement. we have a debt crisis! we're spending too much. while we're willing to put revenue on the table we have to recognize it's the spending that is out of

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days to christmas and shopping days left. not this year, the countdown to the fiscal cliff, thanks to our leftist leaders. >> usually count down to christmas, but lately congress does that. get out the advent calendar, and days until we fall off the fiscal cliff. and yesterday, one stayed he was frustrated for republicans and democrats for not taking leadership and the president says it's all the republicans fault, listen. >> the president said he wants the so-called balanced approach to solve this crisis, but what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people. a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. billions of dollars and unlimited unchecked authority to borrow from the chinese. maybe i missed this, but i don't recall him asking for any of that during the presidential campaign. >> congress does nothing, every family will see their income taxes automatically go up the beginning of next year, a typical middle class family of four will see income taxes rise by 2200. and it's unacceptable for some in congress to hold the middle class hostage simply because they refuse to let the taxes g

america to get credit and get more american jobs. >> in the terms of averting the fiscal cliff, almost every major negotiation and battle as come down to president obama and house speaker john boehner. do you think it helps or hurts that key lawmakers like yourself seem to be left out of this deal making? >> well, i'm in constant consultation with secretary geithner, with the white house, and meeting with congress, and the chairman of the house, meet with reed very off. there's a lot of conversations going on where i gave my views, and learn, and so there are more people involved. >> now this is really coming down to, as is no surprise, the issue of tax rates, will republicans agree to raising tax rates on the wealthy as president obama made clear. are you willing to go over the fiscal cliff if republicans do not agree that that? >> i think if there is no agreement whatsoever, the president has probably no choice but to say, okay, we're going to go over the cliff. that would no be my first preference. my first preference is that as we get closer to the cliff, that we find an agreement that makes some sense, so we don't have to go over

fiscal cliff. i think probably senator thune from south dakota is making the most sense last night saying maybe we should kick the can down the road for six months instead of trying to rush it i'm not a fan of kicking the can down the road, that's what congress does. in this case, you have everyone scrambling, trying to examine the ramifications of the election. you have new people coming in. some of the people voting were thrown out of congress. why not wait until the 1st of the year. >> kicking the can, you look at markets today. you have global markets up. stock futures are up. the stock market was up yesterday because this whole idea of optimism from john boehner and the president that this could get done by the end of the year is something the world wants to see. you look at our polling. our polling shows, and the most recent poll from abc news/"washington post," 60% of people support raising tacks on incomes over $250,000 per year. isn't the argument of kicking the can down the road losing some steam? >> it probably is. i don't think we need to rely on polling on this because if raising taxes on the top earners of the c

fiscal cliff when the president got reelected so now we are just bouncing down further and further ledge to ledge. but the thing is for him to say we're going to increase spending let me give away more money, are you kidding? have you gotten more solyndras you haven't thrown away? enough is enough. the leverage we have is the debt ceiling. i'm hoping our leadership is going to bring that to bear. >> many feel the leverage the president has he says look i want to cut taxes or keep taxes where they are for those making $250,000 or less. i want middle class taxes to stay low. but the republics, they won't let that happen. he comes forward with a 1.6 trillion though in new taxes in this new deal. what do you think of that deal and where are you willing to compromise in terms of revenues? >> well, the president we had two years ago basically said and i'm not sure who this one is but the one a couple years ago said it would be insane to raise taxes during a recession. we are still in the recession. we are still 8% basically in on unemployment. so for us to raise taxes. >> where will you come p

a brand-new offer from house republicans to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. also president obama's getting ready to speak this hour about an urgent national security issue. u.s.-led efforts to try to track down and eliminate loose nuclear weapons. that's coming up. >>> also, frightening now revelations about an al qaeda plot for a three-part terror attack on the united states embassy in iman, jordan. i'll ask the country's foreign minister for details. he's standing by live. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we begin this afternoon with brand-new republican offers to try to save the $2.2 trillion and avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. the across-the-board spending cuts and sharp tax increases that hit in just 29 days. let's get straight to our senior congressional correspondent dana bash. she's watching what's going on. dana, the tax rates, first of all, let's get to a major sticking point right now. there's been a counterproposal from house republicans to the white house. you have details. >> reporter: that's right. let's start exactly where you just began on those tax rates because that has become the big divide between the two sides. the answer is the house republicans are

era rates which america will return to in january unless the fiscal cliff is resolved. it brought more revenues than at any point in the 1980s. thank you. [ applause ] >> grover! >> stephanie: norquist and maria commented this is a different environment than the 1990s. grover said we got four years of bad regulation, higher taxes. he wants to add more taxes to the tea party too. it will starve tea party i if obama pushes us over the cliff. [ screaming ] >> can't just wait for tea party three. >> probably about 150 billion. >> stephanie: that would be bad. okay. oh, let's see. phillip in durham disagrees with everything i say. about everything? >> ever! >> stephanie: hi, phillip. >> caller: hi, stephanie. look. appreciate the show. i think you have not been fair to the facts and let me just ask you from the -- what we're talking about -- >> stephanie: the facts are oversensitive in my opinion. >> caller: that's why you're better as a comedian than a political pundit. >> stephanie: all right. >> caller: the fact of the matter is simply this. timothy geithner proposed a budget plan t

meredith shiner, on the fiscal cliff. >> yes, sir. >> there are a lot of different pieces of it and it can get very complicated, but it can also get boiled down to kind of one first step which the president keeps pointing out. he says, let's just start on what we all agree on. we all agree taxes should not go up for the middle class. so we have a bill that's already passed the senate. it wasn't a filibuster. beefs partnership everybody will get a tax cut on the first $250,000 worth of income for 98% of americans more than they would ever need for a tax cut. the president said the senate says i have my pen. i am ready to sign it. all we need is a vote in the house. why won't that take place? >> trying to get enough signatures for a discharge. >> getting ahead of yourself? >> yeah. >> why no vote? >> it's complicated. i think that what we are seeing now is not any sort of real negotiation. it is a battle of messaging to try to secure aparticular victories. one of the most interesting things about this entire debate is we are focused on the tax season. this is what people feel in their pockets. i think one-of the biggest issues that the white house

the idea that if we went over the fiscal cliff, life would go on as we know it and everything would be fine. >> one of the things that was really interesting to me to bear out that point is ken conrad yesterday who's been so down, i mean, he's leaving the senate. he's done this for seven years. they can't produce deals. and yesterday when i interviewed him, joe, he said i think we're going to make this. i think the boehner offer had significant indicators that something here is going on, and they're going to come together. >> also, kent conrad, a guy -- i've loved him for a long time, deficit hawk. they haven't allowed him to put a budget out for years. he's growing frustrated. i'm sure he's going to be glad to leave. but i was surprised by that as well. you see also, sam stein, republicans are now starting to really bash boehner from the right. the president needs to take note. he needs to take note. >> give him some running room. >> i'm only saying this because you remember, we went through this with newt. you know, bill clinton would push newt only so far, and then the conservatives in the caucus like myself and matt salmon, steve largent and others would say we're not doing a deal. we will take this place dow